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Unread 03-25-2009, 10:11 PM   #1
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I just started taking suboxone today, I am addicted to vicodin. How long does it take to be able to stop taking the suboxone?
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Unread 03-25-2009, 11:40 PM   #2
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Hi Tony

Not a cop out but it takes what it takes! I mean at least a few months. The behaviors that led to misuse need to be modified then a taper can begin. How much are you on?

I am on for a year and have begun tapering. There are many stories here so check them out and find what works for you. How about NA etc?

What I mean this is not an open and shut thing. Please don't try to rush recovery many have tried and failed this is not a race it is life!

Good luck and welcome

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Thanks theswan -

My doctor gave me the impression that I would be tapering off soon. I was taking up to 30 vicodin a day. I just started the suboxine today and a half pill has made me feel better already. I am so happy and am not trying to rush anything, but just got the impression from my doctor. I have suffered with addiction since my teens, from cocaine to alcohol which I quit on my own, however the vicodin I had to obtain help.
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theswan -

The reason I began taking hydrocodone is due to back pain as I am a General Contractor and have suffered with lower back pain and sciatic nerve pain down one leg. Does this suboxone help control pain too? As you can tell I am new to this, and I would appreciate your response.

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Unread 03-26-2009, 01:13 AM   #5
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Hello tonydhow and welcome.

Congratulations on making the decision to take suboxone. You have made a very wise choice on saving your life.

I was taking 30 pills a day too! My addiction to pain pills was almost 7 years. I took my last suboxone in July of 2006 and have been pill free ever since. I started at 24mgs a day and tapered to 2mgs then stopped completely. I only say this to comfort you and to encourage you to continue. I’m not giving advice.

Suboxone isn’t a cure for addiction. No doctor can say, based on your current addiction, take suboxone for X amount of time and you will be done. If a doctor or anyone else says it run as fast as you can. Lol

Suboxone was first developed for pain. Yes people do take it for pain control.

Start a new thread so your post isn’t lost. There are a lot of wonderful people here who will be glad to share their story’s and answer any questions you might have.
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Hi Tony! I too was taking up to 30 pills a day. My DOC was Percocet though. My addiction was ongoing for 5 yrs. I started like you with the back problems. I have a diagnosis of Chiari Type 1 Malformation and degenerative disc disease. I can honestly say that the pain is much improved since I started Suboxone. I'm on Day 14 of Sub treatment (taking 28mg a day) and feel great.

Like Cally posted... Any doc who gives you a taper date this early....RUN! Lol! Did your doctor specifically mention tapering already?

You should also look into NA, or another form of counseling. It would be very beneficial to your recovery. In fact, it's part of the treatment plan with my doctor, so it's mandatory for me.

You've made the first step towards a drug-free life...I'm proud of you!! I wish you all the best in your recovery.

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Hi Tony and welcome!

Back in 1999 I was placed on vicodin for a back injury which grew into a lasting medical issue and led to my addiction to vicodin. By the time I entered treatment I was taking 100 vicodin tablets per day or more. So I do understand where your at. Today life is good for me in terms of my recovery. Very good in fact. I have stayed on Suboxone because it can also treat my pain issues and will not drive me back into active addiction. It has been 37 months for me and now I only take a very, very small dose each day and often times forget to take it. Now could you imagine taking less and less of vicodin and then simply forgetting to take it???

You have already been given great advice on your opening question. It takes how ever long it takes! The time period is very different for each of us, no matter our drug of choice or how much of it we were taking or gor how long.

The important thing for you is to understand what Suboxone's purpose is, how to use it most effectively and to understand that it is not recovery, simply a tool to use in your overall recovery plan. Suboxone cannot help with the hard part of recovery, the mental, emotional and social issues of addiction. The rest of your recovery program must do that.

This site offers you the information you need and the peer support needed to help you take your life back. Read the educational material, personal stories and get to know the wonderful people here, as they hold a wealth of good information and support for you!

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Unread 03-26-2009, 08:44 AM   #8
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Tony,
When I was first introduced to Sub. the Dr wrote me out a schedule to taper right away. It was a 3 week schedule and then I was supposed to stop. He was only giving me the Sub to treat the WD from vicodin. He wasnt giving it to me to help treat my addiction. I relapsed several times doing it that way. Everybody is different, I'm sure some people wouldnt have a problem doing that way...I just wasnt one of those people. You need to figure out which plan is best for you and discuss this with your Dr. If you stop the Sub before you are ready, you will relapse. Look within yourself, you'll know if your ready to stop taking the Sub. I would try and talk to your Dr. right away about it because some Drs have the "Its my way or the highway mentality" and you don't want to get caught having to wean off it if your not ready. Good luck and welcome to the road of recovery! Jay
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thank you janie for your support, it is nice to know people out there care!
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Thank you Mike and to all who have responded to my questions. This is all new to me, but I am feeling so much better already. I will talk to my Doc about staying on sub a little longer, I don't want to relapse, and having all of you available to talk to helps me tremendously!!
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Unread 03-26-2009, 11:06 PM   #11
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Tony, i have no suggestions as im basically in same boat, all the way to the low back pain, sciatic nerve & DOC. Best luck, as we are start this parrallel journey
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Unread 03-27-2009, 07:48 AM   #12
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The reason I began taking hydrocodone is due to back pain as I am a General Contractor and have suffered with lower back pain and sciatic nerve pain down one leg. Does this suboxone help control pain too? As you can tell I am new to this, and I would appreciate your response.

Thanks!

Tony
Hi Tony, oftentimes people who also have pain problems take Suboxone in smaller doses every 4 to 6 hours to take advantage of any analgesic effects. For some, bupe for pain works well, and others, not so much. It really depends on the person and the pain.

Here's a bunch of information about bupe and pain:

"Buprenorphine is used as a pain reliever and to treat opiate addiction. It produces less of a "high" than other opioids, such as codeine and morphine." Suboxone/Subutex.
http://drugabusehelp.com/drugs/buprenorphine/ (Indications/paragraph 1.)

"…and its analgesic effect is due to agonism of ?-opioid receptors."
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...rphine#Effects, (Effects/paragraph 1.)

"Buprenorphine has been available…It is a safe and effective analgesic." Use of Buprenorphine in the Pharmacologic Management of Opioid Dependence A Curriculum for Physicians. January 2001, by Eric C. Strain, MD, Editor and Jeanne G. Trumble, MSW, Project Director. Development of the curriculum was supported by the: Center for Substance Abuse Treatment Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration US Department of Health and Human Services.
http://www.buprenorphine.samhsa.gov/...Curriculum.pdf (pages 3-29.)

"…buprenorphine can be used as an analgesic agent…" Buprenorphine: An Analgesic with an Expanding Role in the Treatment of Opioid Addiction. Susan E. Robinson. (CNS Drug Reviews. 2002. Vol. 8, No. 4, pp. 377–390.)
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi...2002.tb00235.x

And lastly from the TIP40:
http://www.naabt.org/links/TIP_40_PDF.pdf
PDF page 33, hardcopy page 7:
Buprenorphine has several pharmaceutical uses. It is a potent analgesic, available in many countries as a 0.2–0.4 mg sublingual tablet (Temgesic®).

Hope that's helpful.

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Unread 03-27-2009, 12:49 PM   #13
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I have been on Sub since November 30, 2006 I started at 16mgs and now I take 1mg every other day , I was taking anywhere from 30-40 5-10mg of percocets a day, or whatever I could get my hands on. I also tried a 3 week taper and relapsed 4 days later, so if this Dr is set on a short term you might want to find a Dr that doesn't have a time table. I have had 3 different Dr's since starting Sub and that is because where I live they are had to find, but I did find one that is now only 45 min away but the Dr's that I have found I made sure that they understood that I want to be on my terms and they were all fine with that. I just really wish you the best and please keep us up to date. God Bless
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How are you Tony?

We are here if you want. Ask any questions as all are important. We get help by attempting to help you and all.

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Unread 03-27-2009, 11:05 PM   #15
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Hello -

Thank you all for your replies. I am doing well and even cut a cord of wood today. I see my doctor on Monday and am hoping to continue the med as it is helping with my back pain also. I did want to say that I also have a compulsive gambling problem and believe the hydro made me gamble even more, I live near indian casinos in california. The sub has completely taken away the gambling urge, I will let the doctor know on Monday. I also plan on starting counseling soon. Does anyone else feel that the drugs cause you to do things you normally would not do, such as compulsive gambling?
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Unread 03-28-2009, 07:26 AM   #16
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Hi tonydhow, so good to hear that you're doing well. That's interesting about the Suboxone taking away your urge to gamble. I've not read about that before. Something I'll have to look into to see if there's anything about it. : )

That's great about starting counseling. I bet it will be helpful. Just remember to find a counselor who has the goals you do, and if the first one doesn't work out, keep looking. You're hiring them to be on your treatment team. So hire the best one you can find.

Keep us posted!
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Hello tony, my name is Deanna and I ve been on Sub since September 2008. I wanted to address the question you had about doing things you wouldnt normally do while high on opiates. I sure have! I think people lose their inhabitions when high on their drug of choice, whether it be gambling , or any other compulsive behavior. I think you will find now that you have a much clearer head, your compulisive behaviors will change. Im only saying this because of the way I have changed for the better, so its just my opinion. You will find that every day will get better and better as you find your "old self" is back. Good luck to you!!Deanna
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Thank you nancy and deanna for your response and encouragement, i am doing well but i am feeling a bit controlled i guess i am rushing myself on recovery and or i want to put hydros behind me. work is one of my tools for this but i still have this feeling im substance controlled and it bothers me time to time i realize the bigger less toxic picture. it may come from my sobriety of alcohol and cocaine being sober 19 years july some time ago but still remember at 30 years of age it seemed easier to stop and in my case there was not little or hardly any detox. this is a monkey a lot higher in the hydro tree. well my question to all is and i have only been on sub for 4 days and am feeling energy kind of like I did with hydro and I am worried that I am being controlled by another substance. I do need relief for back pain, but was willing to get off hydro due to taking to many tabs per day and having to search to get more tabs, etc.. I just find it to good to be true to be able to take less than two tabs of sub per day and have to take 30 of hydro. It is making me feel like i am going to another addiction, however I feel good that I don't seem to want alot of it. I realize when quiting a substance you are put on another substance to help you get through detox. My doc said it would take about 7 days for the hydro to be out of my system, will I feel different on the sub at that time. The Sub does make me feel kind of high still. I appreciate any response.

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Hey tony! Glad to hear from you. I wouldnt worry about the different feeling you have from the sub, that you feel you are switching one pill for another.That is a common felling people have in the beginning. Sub is used to alleviate withdrawal and cravings while you learn to get rid of addictive behaviors and get your life back. I know I felt completely different from the first day on went on the medicine too. Everything became crystal clear as I was living in an oxycontin haze for a long time (8 years). I also can relate to your story about the cocaine. About 15 yrs ago I kicked that habit on my own and never looked back, and you are right, opiates are a whole other ball game. Right now please try not to think you are switcing from being addicted to another kind of opiate.
Let this medicine be your tool in your recovery. I have been on sub since Sept 16, 2008 and it has changed my life for the better. As the weeks go by, you will see everything gets better and better in every way. Hang in there Tony. We are all here for you. Deanna
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hello deanna thanks again i do understand. i looked up info again on subs ingrediants and purposes last night it just wene i see wat is in it i become concerned i need to concantrate more on the reasons for its purpose as a tool to recovery and not there for the high. and yes counceling is on my list to get this feeling out. thank you for being here for me. Tony
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Hi Tony, please see if this link helps: Is buprenorphine treatment just switching one addiction for another? http://www.naabt.org/faq_answers.cfm#1

What might be a good idea is to keep a journal of how you're feeling. You can keep one online here: http://www.addictionsurvivors.org/vb...splay.php?f=77

This explains that forum: http://www.addictionsurvivors.org/vb...ad.php?t=19457

Keeping a journal is also good for when you go to see your doctor. Then you can let him/her know how you're feeling and have it all written down in one place.

I hope this helps.
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Hi Nancy thanks i am keeping a day to day of how i feel and my intake given to me by my DR. i will see him mon, am. i also will be seeing how he will be aproaching my future on sub. i am sure it will go fine he is a young dr. and really supports sub. and i believe he understands how you are feeling i will keep you informed on my visit . thanks again. Tony H.
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p.s. i will be joining todays chat looking forward to it ! ! !
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Unread 03-29-2009, 10:17 PM   #24
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Tonydhow,

I have had a 3 level cervical fusion. My pain started with 3 “exploded” disks in my cervical spine. Surgeries and many surgical procedures later I was severely addicted to pain pills.

I quit on my own many times but always relapsed. I called my local hospital for help and received more help than I ever imagined.

I took suboxone and was taught and learned everything about addiction. I began an extensive physical therapy program, began eating properly, began addiction therapy. Knowing addiction is an illness not a will power contest saved my life.

I stopped taking suboxone just to see what my pain levels were without any medication. My plans were to take suboxone again if I didn’t relapse first. Loll I did not plan or see my being pill free for this long.

You may want to consider taking suboxone for a “short” time. Your cravings may return with a vengeance as well as you pain. Always remember you can take suboxone again. Don’t feel that you are a failure if you need to take it longer. You see the people here that have posted to you that they did a ‘short” taper then returned to suboxone. Each one of them knows how important their recovery is and are not embarrassed or ashamed by continuing treatment, so don’t you be either.

Talk to you doctor about all of this. Make sure he is on board with how you want your recovery to proceed. You are in control, not suboxone, not your addiction, not your doctor. YOU ARE!!!

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Tony, it was nice to see you take advantage of chat last night. As you learned by being there it is a very productive deal and you can get good interactive advice. I hope you keep coming back.

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Hi Tony, yes, it was nice 'seeing' you in chat last night!
Good luck at your appointment this morning. Check in when you can.

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