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Unread 10-16-2007, 01:25 PM   #1
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Hey anyone who cares, I just posted something to someone who's starting tomorrow and realized that I've been off of bupe a year and 4 months. Bill BAM! just posted it's been a year for him.

Then I read stuff about people being afraid of tapering. If you start getting nervous about it before you're even ready to taper, it's gonna make it a whole lot worse.

I snorted H for the most part of 20 years. Nothing worked, rehab, countless cold turkeys, methadone - well I only did that gig for like a week before I got sick of the clinic scene and didn't really dig the methadone itself. So for a long time I stayed out of wds with H. Wasn't looking for the high any more, made it through a number of CTs but couldn't take the aftermath - you know, the cravings, the depression. Then I heard about sub. Researched the crap out of it. Called prescribing doctors just to ask questions, this website wasn't around then. I even got the TIP40 to read. Then I made an appointment.

It was the best thing I ever did. I stayed on sub for a year. Started at 16mg and would reduce when I'd forget to take it or started getting really lethargic.

I think the biggest thing that helped me was that me and Ros took 2 months to go from 2mg to 0. 2 weeks with every .5mg drop. BUT if I didn't feel comfortable, I wouldn't have dropped. 0 wasn't too bad at all. A bit of the goose bumplys and jiggly legs. Nowhere as bad as even having a nasty cold.
Sleep was kinda hard at first, but benedryl took care of that.

So here I am a year plus later. No PAWS, no green hair from the naloxone (thanks Leviticus for that one) but most of all no regrets.

Ok, don't really know why I posted this, I suppose just to give hope for anyone out there who's afraid.

Big positive energy beams to all! -Mary

edited to say: Oh yeah, and I did group counseling for a little while, but stayed with one-on-one for the whole time. I don't know why I forgot that part. Therapy is a big part of this whole sub gig. Helps you put everything into perspective.
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Unread 10-16-2007, 01:56 PM   #2
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I was hoping to just use Suboxone to get through the WD. My Dr. said at least 3 years? Now, I've decided to take it one day at a time, as I've been taught. I'm not afraid to taper, just want to be ready. Thank you for this thread. My Dr. said it's very hard to taper off Sub? When I'm ready, I will find out.

Positive Beams back at you............najohn
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Unread 10-16-2007, 02:03 PM   #3
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Great post Mary.

In my experience, withdrawals are unique to each person. Yet, there will always be naysayers out there that want people to believe w/d from bupe is akin to entering the 13th Plain of Hell. This sky is falling approach is misguided and scares people from trying what could be a life saving medication. I think most people see through this nonsense but what of the few that don't? I want no part of it.

That's why I find this forum so refreshing. There are no agendas aside from educating, helping and supporting those in need.

Unless there is a compelling reason, I don't think setting arbitrary deadlines helps anyone. It's counterproductive and can devastate self esteem leading to relapse. I spent nearly a year w/d from various benzos - w/o the added pressure of deadlines.

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Unread 10-16-2007, 02:19 PM   #4
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Mary thank you so much for the positive info I'm no were ready to taper considering that I am only on my 15th day but I to was affraid of that time coming becuase I want to be off everything one day!! I hope that you will help me when the time comes to taper! Abbie
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Unread 10-16-2007, 02:46 PM   #5
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Thanks Mary, I care.

I have been on sub since May (16mg), got down to 2mg in mid September, and am now at 1.5. There have sure been some horror stories, but some good out-comes like yours too. As usual, bad news gets a lot of press, so a balance is important. Wish me luck, and determination. Just going to go slow and steady. I head for 1.25 in a day or two. A couple of months may do it, but it takes what it takes. Staying clean is more important than getting off sub. Counseling is a great help, as is this forum and support at home.
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Unread 10-16-2007, 02:49 PM   #6
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Mary
Your "gig" is, and always will be, inspiring.I think it is important for you to hit the refresh button now and then for new members to get a dose of your "positive Beams".I agree, have no fear.
Hey najohn
Your Doctor is wrong.Sub does not have to be difficult to taper from,as long as you do things correctly and to tell you "three years" is ridicoulous.There are as many answers to the "how long" question as there are patients and if your Doctor doesnt get that he needs to educate himself on the realities.Then bill him for the advise,Im sure he is billing you for his,at least yours will be correct.
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Unread 10-16-2007, 02:59 PM   #7
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Mary........... What can I say, ur my hero!

Great post and valuable information.

We really need your input on this forum as the ever so subtle over statements grow more frequent here.

The fact is, this is a simple program and with some basic guidelines and a calm hand it can be navigated successfully.

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Unread 10-16-2007, 03:06 PM   #8
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LOL Bill! I see my Dr. on Sat. I'll let her know. Thanks.
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Unread 10-16-2007, 03:16 PM   #9
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Hi Mary, thanks for posting this and congratulations!
Also, many thanks for sticking around and helping out others.

For anyone interested, this is Mary & Ros's tapering thread:
http://www.addictionsurvivors.org/vb...ad.php?t=12404

Thanks again Mary!
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Unread 10-16-2007, 03:21 PM   #10
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Mary, may I have permission to share this post with others taking Sub?

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Unread 10-16-2007, 03:55 PM   #11
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Hey Mary!

It's important for people like us to stick around and let the others know it can be done. Sometimes we forget this or just assume the others already know our story, but with so many newbies coming all the time, it can't be said too often.

I have been off sub since December '06. Still can't believe that Ive been flyin solo for over ten months! Life is good.

Briefly, I began sub on 3/31/06 at 32mg. I began a taper not long into the treatment because my dose was too high for me, IMO. Anyway, long story short, the final .5 mg was the longest 'stall' and then I began .25 alternating with .5...then .25 daily then .25 every other day...then one day I woke and realized it had been several days since I took it and just didn't take anymore. That was Christmas morning, 2006.

I had a little problem sleeping for a couple days, resolved with benadryl. I had runny eyes and sneezing. Restless legs one or two evenings that subsided on it's own. NO BIG DEAL.

Take is slow and easy. It's not a race.

Stacey

I just wanted to add that if I was at all uncomfortable with my taper, I had no problem go back up and then try to go down again. I was creative but consistant--plus I had a doctor that let me do 'my thing' and helped immensley.
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Unread 10-16-2007, 04:13 PM   #12
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mary and stacey- i have always loved reading you guy's stories on tapering and it has always helped me out alot to read them. i tapered from 16mgs to 2mgs without to many problems, just a little anxiety for a few days when i got under 6mgs but i also think alot of that was in my head. i have went back up to 4mgs in the last month and plan to stay there for a while bc i realized that i was rushing to get off for no reason. i still have alot to learn and life issues to straighten out. but when i get ready i know from reading you two's posts that i can do it, i hope you will still be around when that time comes bc you are both very inspiring, thankyou.
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Unread 10-16-2007, 06:20 PM   #13
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Hi Mary....great beams back to you from Baltimore! I am SO glad to hear you are doing well. You are truly an inspiration to many. About tapering, I'm sure I've said this here before, but I had a pt who would not give up 0.5 mg of Sub...until I told him to just stop and he'd be ok. Well, he did and he was.
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Unread 10-16-2007, 10:18 PM   #14
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Mary, as always you are an inspiration. But since you promise no green hair we will not be able to determine who are the subettes and subers running around.........wow, just a bunch of normal people.

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Unread 10-17-2007, 12:23 AM   #15
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Im probably going to regret this but....here goes, I really like to read these posts because they are mostly positive and i need that right now. But I was reading on another site, how these people who were on bupe for over a year, are still not normal after months to years being clean! They say they are no where near normal, still feel like they have a cold and no energy. I know everybody is different but i believe them, just as i believe the positive stories here. Its so confusing to me. Theyve said they tried everything to get back to normal and they are not. Im sorry to bring this up here, Im just looking for some words of wisdom I guess. Im afraid Ive ruined my life and will never be naturally happy again. Sorry to be a downer, I guess I wont know until i jump off the sub. Thanks for your post Mary
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Unread 10-17-2007, 02:01 AM   #16
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Denista
There are people who feel poorly who never did opiates or Sub.There is a good chance that some of the people you speak of are atributing their condition to Sub when it may have nothing to do with Sub.If someone suffers from depression for instance and use Sub for a period and then quit but the depression returns is Sub the cause of their depression? Probably not.
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Unread 10-17-2007, 08:57 PM   #17
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Denista, najohn, lookingup, and others,
As many of you know, I’ve been off bupe for 2 years and 6 months now. I was on for 3 years. Why so long? Because of my 10 year heroin addiction?, not really, cause of all of the things in my life I needed to change. My treatment period was determined by how long it took me to rebuild myself financially, repair relationships, find a place to live, get new friends, get healthy again, and all of the other things addiction screws up.

I did a slow 8 month taper, and didn’t have bad withdrawal at the end, some, but not enough to miss work and my job was physical. I had some trouble with insomnia for a few weeks but the doc gave me ambient and that worked. By 3-4 weeks I was 100% and could deal with whatever cravings I had, which weren’t many because all of my triggers had been eliminated or dealt with during my treatment period, plus I had reduced stress in my life and learned how to deal with it when it did come. Counseling helped there (one on one for me, group wasn’t my thing, but works for others)

Suture explained why some people have withdrawal and some don’t. I am in 100% agreement because my first attempt was 30 day bupe detox and after I had bad withdrawal. Here’s what he said: http://www.addictionsurvivors.org/vb...ad.php?t=14991
It’s a long post but once you get it, you got it forever.

Excerpt:
….This is why some people experience PAWS and other do not. It explains why long term treatments are more effective for addiction, and reduce the chance of PAWS. It explains why some people can succeed with short treatments….”

Glad you are still posting here Mary!! We need your beams!
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Unread 10-17-2007, 09:20 PM   #18
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First I'd like to thank all my friends who... oooops sorry. With all these accolades, I thought I won a Grammy or something. Seriously, support is such a big part of this gig. My tapering friend, Ros, was a big part of it. Hey Ros! If you read this, I miss you!

najohn - Tell your doctor Mary says he's dead wrong, while you're telling him the stuff Bill BAM! told you to tell him.

CJ, You're absolutely right. Arbitrary deadlines do nothing except make people nervous and freak out. Then it's harder and more complex.

mommaof3, I've stuck around this long, I'll cheer you on when you do your tapering gig.

lookingup, Yeah, the horror stories get better press. You're doing great, slow and steady. What's the rush, is what I always thought. I was addicted to H for 20 years, so it didn't really matter how long it took.

Bill BAM! My friend! Another one who's been there, done that, and sticks around to help. Exercise, right?

OhioMike, Thanks, man. Ok, I'll try and post more. Once my work lessens a bit. Go for it, you can show this to whoever or is it whomever. Hmmmmm. I digress.

Nancy, no, thank you and Tim for creating this place. Wish it was here earlier.

Stacey No Sub in '07! Another one who didn't have a problem. Yeah, that's why I stick around, to show it can be done.

katie0803, very cool that you went back up and aren't freaking. Figuring out our crap is a big part of the whole gig. I'll stick around if Stacey does. LOL Only kidding.

Caroline! I just posted to you in the Caroline topic hon. Thanks for the beams and everything, love.

Damn josie, you're right. How are we gonna tell who's who? Man, I better go get some dye.... Your son is lucky to have a mom like you.

Denista, don't regret it. Mike is right. It's more than just getting off sub. We gotta get all of our s*** together and not worry about how long it's gonna take. Look at me. I'm happy and normal. Well maybe not normal, and I did H for 20 years!! Look at Mike he did H for 10. Think positive, you'll be happy. Just don't overthink anything or pay attention to the horror stories. They happen, but for a reason.

Mike, glad you're still posting here, man. Thank you for your help to Ros and me when we were doing our gig.

Think I got everyone. And big love beams to you all! -Mary

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Unread 06-26-2008, 02:25 PM   #19
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Hey, I'm bumping this thing up because, well, I don't really have anything more to say than that.
The beginning of June marked 2 years off of sub.

I still don't have PAWS, depression, lethargy, pain, orange hair or anything like that.

You can't expect sub to do more than stop cravings and withdrawals. Period. That's it.

The rest is up to you. You gotta get into therapy and fix what you need to fix, learn how to deal with stuff without drugs and maybe at the end of the taper go to an addiction specialist and learn how to handle crap like cravings and triggers if you're not sure that you'll be able to handle them. The orange pill is not a miracle pill. Don't EXPECT it to stop your depression, anxiety, bi-polar, pain or anything like that stuff.

EXPECT it to stop cravings and withdrawals. And then do the work you need to.

If you want support, go to AA/NA or SMART or groups like those if that's your scene. Come here for support. But that's support. It is NOT therapy.

Doing the right stuff makes sub work. You make sub treatment as a whole work.

If you don't want to do the work, then don't expect a smooth taper off.

Just my one penny's worth.

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Unread 06-26-2008, 03:55 PM   #20
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Hey Mary
I gave you a shout outjust the other day in reference to a newer member here,kitty. She could use some of your insight and beams.The thread was "is my doctor right ?" Take a look if you have an opportunity.
Great to hear from you .I took a break from this site for awhile but like you I remain addiction and opiate free almost two years now.
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Unread 06-26-2008, 05:44 PM   #21
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Thanks Mary and others for such positive posts on tapering. I am tapering at the teeny rate of 0.2mg per week - so far down to 2.4mg. After reading this I won't hesitate to stay at the same dose longer if I feel awful in any way from it. I thought it was ridiculously slow - but my Doctor insists it's the way to go.
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Unread 06-27-2008, 03:45 AM   #22
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HUGE!!!
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Unread 06-27-2008, 04:47 AM   #23
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Mary, as always, it is a joy to see you post and you always inspire me! You have the biggest beams around!

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Unread 06-27-2008, 05:53 AM   #24
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Wonderful post Mary

Congratulations 2 years!!!A great achievement.
A brilliant rational sensible encouraging encapsulation of the very doable taper experience.
Reading your experience some time ago definitely alleviated my anxiety and instilled hope in me.Yours and others who have tapered successfully really took the fear away.Many many thanks to you,Mike and others who have shared their tapers.My congrats to all of you.
Best wishes to all.d2
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Unread 06-27-2008, 02:45 PM   #25
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Thanks Mary & Bill for your positive energy. Some of us here get a leetle wigged out over the whole taper & off business. It's really nice to hear from veterans who have been there, done that and thrived.
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Just checking in.

I've been off sub now since Dec '06. Still going strong on my own! As I've said many times before, there's life after addiction.

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Unread 06-27-2008, 10:51 PM   #27
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Stac-A, hey, I was wondering when you were gonna chime in on this one. No-sub since in '07 or '08.

Bill BAM! Weeeee hoo! Another 2-year addiction and medication free person. I'll check that thread out now.

Thanks Fish, O'Mike, danny2 and spoint1. That's cool that it helped.


The reason I bumped this up is because I've seen a bunch of people saying how they know how hard it's gonna be to get off sub. Keep that mindset and damn, it will be a pain in the ass. Stay positive, do things right, don't dwell on every little thing and you'll do fine.

Let me tell you a little story. When I was doing my tapering gig, I started sneezing one day. I freaked out. s**t. Here comes those awful WDs people talk about. Man oh man. Then I looked outside (it was spring) and there was pollen crap blowing all over the place. I took a benedryl, that stopped the sneezing. It was THEN I decided to relax and not over-react about the tapering scene. If I hadn't pulled myself together and realized that it was frickin' allergies, I just BET my taper would have sucked. But instead, I didn't really pay attention to much, except the dose drops - when and how much - and went on with life. Exercised every day. Ate right. Stayed hydrated. Took vitamins - extra B family.

I was fine. You can be too. Just don't over-react to stuff.

Big beams to all! -Mary
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Unread 06-27-2008, 11:22 PM   #28
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Thanks for the post Mary! It's good to see you around [again] and doing well! Sharing your story and current state is truly a blessing for us, giving those hope that need it! Please be sure to keep in touch and check in every now and then! It's very nice to hear from you and it's really great to hear you are doing so well! You are definitely a poster-model for Suboxone therapy and how well it can work and get one from the gutter to the right path and a very good distance down that path!

Again, thanks for sharing and I wish you nothing, but the best with your future endeavors!

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Unread 10-01-2008, 05:59 PM   #29
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Hey just bumping this up again. DJone, thanks man! Beams out to you!

To everyone. Make sure you're ready, don't rush and don't over think the tapering thing.

POSITIVE tapering beams! -Mary

Oh yeah, this is another good thread:
http://addictionsurvivors.org/vbulle...ad.php?t=16678
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Unread 10-01-2008, 09:00 PM   #30
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Mary, I have to thank you again for the time you and Ross took in recording your taper adventure. You are always an inspiration and I hope that someday I can take that finale taper walk.

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Unread 10-01-2008, 11:24 PM   #31
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Hi Mary, and all that have stayed that have stopped taking suboxone, and continue to share your support to all of us. THANK YOU!!!

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Unread 10-02-2008, 02:34 AM   #32
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Hey Mary, A big thanx from me as well. I've been rereading ur thread with Ros over the last few days and it's just wonderful to have that. Very positive! Plus both you and Ros are excellent writers, very creative which makes it fun to read.
Thank You : )
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Unread 10-02-2008, 08:30 AM   #33
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Mary, and others who tapered correctly with success, it is extremely important for you to stay here and keep posting to new people.You help in minimizing the stigmas of this treatment, and it is so necessary.Thank you for caring about the importance of education.
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Unread 10-02-2008, 11:36 AM   #34
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Mary to be honest with you when I first found this site and had made the decision to go on Suboxone I read someone's post (can't remember who it was ?) and I panicked! I thought
OH my GOD i've made a mistake and now i'm gonna be in worse shape than before! Then beat myself us (for seconds in my head) and Nancy posted your taper story and several others! That was my turning point. I thought Okay....This is no big deal! Mary's atitude is the right frame of mind! I started thinking what's the darn hurry....Am I wanting to make this a quick trip for fear that someone will find out i'm on a partial agonist? Is this about ego???? Sure enough! It was ALL ego.... I even tried to stick cost factor in as a good excuse!!!! That didn't work either because of how much I spent getting my DOC.....I sure went to any lenghts to come up with the money for those! wink.... SO all excuses aside your post was inspiring....It made sense and calmed my fears....That was a year ago in Sept. 07. I am down to 1mg (I get the 8mg tablets because they are cheaper...so shaving 1mg is hard but if it's 2mg i'm okay with that.) I just go down as my body dictates now....I find it is time when I feel myself getting that nodding feeling for a few days in a row... I have not had any bad tapering stories...Each drop as you posted has been smoothe and non-noticable....Your a shining star! Thank you Mary for your story and for giving me courage....
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Unread 10-29-2008, 10:41 AM   #35
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Man, I just have to bump this up again.

IMO too many people put wayyyy too much pressure on themselves to taper. It's like it turned into some race to get off as fast as possible. It don't work that way. You gotta do the other stuff like straighten out shit that got messed up when using drugs, figure out how to deal with your own shit like depression and anxiety and triggers and the like. That's the stuff that matters. Not the fact that you take a pill every day. When you look at it like this, you take sub to stop the madness. The longer you can stay away from the madness that is addiction, the better off you are.

It's not like H or percs or vics or whatever. You're not taking more. You start to feel like crap, so you take less sub. Sitting there obsessing on how much you're taking is just as bad as sitting around looking at how much H or whatever you're doing.

Do what you gotta do, but the less you think about it, the easier it is. Obsessive thoughts are just throwing you back into active addictive thinking.

Hey, that's my 1 cent.

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Unread 10-29-2008, 03:04 PM   #36
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Hi Mary !!!!

Good to see you around here, I hope all is going well and your life is still rockin and rolling along : ) As always thanks for the Tapering beams- I am holding at 4mgs and with the new year - after my dental work will go lower. Slow and steady for me, I keep this thread bookmarked as it has been sooo helpful. Take care- Isa
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Unread 10-29-2008, 11:20 PM   #37
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I really want to copy this thread and give it to my Dr.


Thank You All for Coming Back...
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Unread 11-02-2008, 11:16 AM   #38
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Hey Isa, very cool about 4mg. Dental work, ewwwwwww. That sucks big time. When's that gonna be? How you doing? Everything's ok-go here. Getting cold, getting old. What can you do. Big beam hug to you! -Mary

Done, hey, you can copy anything I post for anyone. If it helps someone, it helps.
You doing ok? I read your other threads and just want to send some positive energy beams to you. -Mary

Gotitang, hey, sorry, I typed my last post too fast and forgot to say thanks, cool that my taper gig could help. How's it going for you, haven't read any more about your business sale. Beams that all is well! -Mary
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Unread 11-04-2008, 11:57 AM   #39
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Hey Mary! Thanks for the honorable mention! I was just thinking when I saw you post something directly too me how good it made me feel! WOW isn't it funny how "I" still want to be recogonized. I always think in recovery that we lose that feeling! BUT nooooo it's still there....Guess I better start mentioning people by name in some of my posts so they know how special they are! If it makes me feel good it probably makes others feel good! BTW Mary your beams are always a bright spot when I'm reading and checking in! Directs me back to how the sun breaks through the clouds and you see those rays coming through and get that sense of warmt....You know that first sense of warmt after winter goes by and it turns into spring! Your outside and the air smells clean and that beam just hits you and you think all is good in GOD's world! I see you put those beams in and that's what comes to mind! For me anyway! Not sure what they mean for others!
Anyway........about the sale of the shop! In a holding pattern....God really has a sense of humor! I am learning everyday that no matter what you just suit up and show up and God will take care of the rest.....Don't live in yesterday....stay out of tomorrow and just do what is front of you! BUT dam....It is hard. At the beginning of every month I go to a site called astrologyzone.com......(don't make fun! I just like it~) Anyway this Susan Miller has been right on with her predictions...Amazes me sometimes. Well I was hoping that November was going to be my month to be done with the shop! After reading it looks like it will get back into the negotiating phase and maybe end in December. I know this sounds silly but, she has been correct about this whole year so far! And years to pass! I know its all in the way we interput her findings but I enjoy it anyway! Read Sag. if you get a chance ! You see what I mean!
Anyway....Thanks for thinking of me! I'm hanging in there! And you???? Anything new?
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Time for another bump up on this one.

Shout out to you ang!

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green hair from the naloxone? are you for real? it didn't happen before but, oh crap I'm blond!
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just re-reading Marys post to get some aditional hope as I sally forth into a taper.

I am now at 3mg and have a desire to get to 0mg ASAP

Many reasons for this and am full aware of the importance of slow but have anxiety issue that is near the worse thing I've ever been through and need a clean slate.

Thanks for the positive posts

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Hey Glen, glad I could be of assistance! Positive energy beams! -Mary
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Mary thankyou. Recovery is my main purpose for coming to this board, and reading posts from you are so inspirational to me. I appreciate your post after mine in Glens thread. You explained it so much better than me! But it was just what I was trying to say. Thanks again! Deanna
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Hey deanna, awwww, thanks! That's cool that my ramblings help (some people... LOL). Recovery is hard enough, it doesn't have to be made harder intentionally, you know? Like with you - you're working it, and when you have problems, you talk about it, get input, and act on them. That's what it's about.

I got your back, girl. You can count on that. Beam hug to you! -Mary
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Once again, thankyou Mary. You are so right, recovery is hard enough, it doesnt have to be made harder intentionally. And I appreciate your kind words on me working my recovery. See ya!! Deanna
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Hey, I figured I'd write in this thread again since I'm posting a link to it in another thread. Just to remind people that the taper should not be feared. I'm almost 4 years off sub. Shit, time flies. Still looking back, I'd rather feel how I did at zero than when I did when I had the flu a couple of months ago.

Do it right. Do it when you're ready. Do it on your time. Just do it and don't freak out about it.

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This is a GREAT thread Mary, thanks for bumping it up.

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bump - I've put the link to this thread in a few posts lately.

Thanks for bringing it back to our attention Mary!

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alot of positive posts and thats good. i think its better than scarin the hell outta everybody so that people who are on it a long time donjt spend all thier time worrying about getting off.
but at the same time they should know there may be wd's to deal with at the end. ill tell you what i know for a fact,,and that is "i dont know" cause i havent done it yet.
but i was put on sub by a pschych when i wasnt dependant on opiates and i was one of the few who felt the opiate in sub unlike some people who dont get that "good "feeling from sub. i no longer fell anything and ive been on it for 6yrs. but thinking back to the beginingwhen i did feel so good from it ,,it only makes me wonder if it made me feel so good that common sense tells me that a drug that does that ( like the other opiates ive taken),,there's a good chance there will be wd's at the end.
people here know me for speaking my mind and im not one of those people that alot of you have names for. im just me stating my own feelings cause i am in the process of getting of sub right now. and until i know for a fact i will have fear of wd's at the end.
poeple somtimes say ,,well,,you didnt do it right,,so ive made sure im not one of those people. i have been doing a long and slow taper,,after 6yrs my feelings are the longer and slower the taper in my case only makes sense.
whether it be sub or any number of drugs,,if you take it everday,,most of them will call for a long slow taper also..
Imnow at 2or 3 mgs after 4or more yrsw at 16mgs a day. i will keep going and when i reach the point i will start skipping days.
my case may be a little differeant as im not in good physical health after being on life support for a month,,it just left me pretty much sick anyway all the time. so sub may be harder for me.
I dont want people spending thier time on sub fixated on whether or not there will be wd's at the end cause then your just wasting the time your on sub to be doing things you should be while you have the chance. try to make some positve changes in yourself and your life and if there are wd's at the end? then we'll just deal with it,,it aint like we havent done that before and if youve done things while on sub that make you happy with your life ,,then it just seems to me it would make wd;s easier.(if there are any!lol)anyway ,,whatever,,good luck with your life and what you do with it.
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